Epson R1900 Bulk Ciss Continuous Ink
Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
jtoolman • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,815
Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
Just purchased my 1st pigment based printer, the Epson R1900. Been involved in all types of photography for about 50 years both professionally as well as for pleasure.
I have owned the stylus 1270, R320 R340 and presently usin the stylus 1400.
I obviously need to cut my printing costs with this new printer and I'm looking at going with a CIS. Preferably with reliable auto reset carts. Just having a hard time coming up with the best choice for a system.
Reliability, color fidelity, longevity are my goals.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I used a CIS on my old R320 and loved it.
Thanks in advance!
Joe
Intecve • New Member • Posts: 16
how much do you charge your client?
if you charge them a lot, why dont you give them the best epson inks?
Zone8 • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276
Re: how much do you charge your client?
Intecve wrote:
if you charge them a lot, why dont you give them the best epson inks?
Or better still, the best alternatives!
I have not used originals for many years - apart from those that came with the printer. Have been using the inkjetfly.com CIS and Refillable Cartridges with their excellent pigment inks. I also understand that Jon Cone's products are highly regarded by users. That gives at least two alternative quality sources at great savings.
Those who try to claim the OEM inks are the only ones worth using are like the Ostrich which buries its head in the sand. Plenty of info on this website that a simple search would find.
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3 Quotes by Ansel Adams:
"A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into." "A good photograph is knowing where to stand." "Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click the shutter."
LINK: For B+W with Epson 1400 (and other models) using black ink only:
http://www.photosnowdonia.co.uk/ZPS/epson1400-B&W.htm
badmoose • Contributing Member • Posts: 519
Re: how much do you charge your client?
I'm really beginning to suspect you have some sort of relationship with Epson. Do you work for them, or are you an Epson shill? Your response to the OP didn't address his question. It's difficult trying to figure out what sort of dog you have in this hunt. Perhaps you just enjoy being perverse.
Re: Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
I use a Inkjetfly system on my 1900 but it doesnt have an auto reset chip thing. When a cart runs empty you must hit the refill ink button on printer and then you have to push one of two buttons on the ink carts to reset the empty cart. At that point the printer goes through a recharging of the lines which wastes some ink. BUT i get very good results with the inks from Injetfly and Leo gives great service if you need any help. The inks are low cost so even though some ink is wasted i still thinks its a very good CIS for the 1900.
Oh for any of those people who say ONLY use oem ink get over it. I have been testing a print i made with my old r1800 useing inkjetfly inks and have had it on the wall not covered to see if it would fade at all. None so far and its been about 2.5 years now. Exposed to sun everyday. Granted thats not real long but most prints are kept protected under glass or in a protective plastic sleeve.
jtoolman wrote:
Just purchased my 1st pigment based printer, the Epson R1900. Been involved in all types of photography for about 50 years both professionally as well as for pleasure.
I have owned the stylus 1270, R320 R340 and presently usin the stylus 1400.I obviously need to cut my printing costs with this new printer and I'm looking at going with a CIS. Preferably with reliable auto reset carts. Just having a hard time coming up with the best choice for a system.
Reliability, color fidelity, longevity are my goals.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I used a CIS on my old R320 and loved it.
Thanks in advance!
Joe
Nikon D800 Nikon AF-S Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF VR Nikon AF-S Nikkor 24-120mm F4G ED VR Epson Stylus Photo R1900
Zone8 • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276
Re: Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
Daniel Clune wrote:
I use a Inkjetfly system on my 1900 but it doesnt have an auto reset chip thing. When a cart runs empty you must hit the refill ink button on printer and then you have to push one of two buttons on the ink carts to reset the empty cart. At that point the printer goes through a recharging of the lines which wastes some ink. BUT i get very good results with the inks from Injetfly and Leo gives great service if you need any help.
Yes - Leo does supply good quality products andf inks - and they perform very well. I often smile when people do "in the sun" tests. Do that to a watercolour painting and it would rapidly disappear. As you say - framed prints under (but not touching) glass will last for years and years without fading - provided (as I always mention) you print on to acid free papers - meaning most photo-type plastic papers are not very suitable as most contain acidic residues.
In my signature, I give a link - it has additional information that would prove useful in terms of reducing any ink wastage. In brief (but use the link) I recommend when one cartridge shows as empty - reset all of them, then you only need one cleaning cycle, instead of one every time a cartridge needs resetting.
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3 Quotes by Ansel Adams:
"A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into." "A good photograph is knowing where to stand." "Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click the shutter."
LINK: For B+W with Epson 1400 (and other models) using black ink only PLUS other useful tips:
http://www.photosnowdonia.co.uk/ZPS/epson1400-B&W.htm
OP jtoolman • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,815
Re: how much do you charge your client?
I am only doing for pleasure now. As I am now retired!
Simply looking for what you guys may think is the best system out there. Every company of course claims to be the best, but then you read user reviews and the truth temds to emerge.
Thanks you all for your suggestions.
OP jtoolman • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,815
Re: Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
I guess what I am looking for is a CIS that I can pretty much install and forget, except when there is a need to replenish ink to the resevours. It needs to have reliable auto reset chips.
I still have an old CIS that I baught for my old R320 which I am now still using on my R340. It auto resets perfectly so no worries there. I also have fed the waste ink tube to an outboard bottle when it collects an amazing amount of ink! Truly shoccking when you see it in a bottle on known volume. I am using the russian Epson resetting tool software to reset the ink pad counter when needed which is hardly ever.
I have the pad resetting software that Epson offers ( free ) for Epson Printer owners ( you need the printers serial number ) for the R1900 as well as the Stylus 1400 which I'm currently using for all my prints.
I print a lot of 13 x 19 which I keep in art portfolios as well as frames.
When I shoot the occassional wedding it comes is very handy as well.
The CISs simply makes it possible for me as the cost of OEM ink would put me in the poor house.
Thanks for all your help guys!!!
Joe
Dave_K • Regular Member • Posts: 426
How 'bout these guys?
http://www.inksupply.com/cfs_r1900.cfm
Their chips automatically reset every time you turn the printer off (for 10 seconds or more). Haven't used their inks on the R1900, but used them on a 1280 and 820.
Haven't any contact with them for a couple years, but previously found them to be helpful and honest.
Cheers!
Canon EOS 5D Mark III Canon EOS 7D Mark II Canon EOS 5DS Canon EF 50mm F1.4 USM Canon EF 300mm f/4.0L IS USM +10 more
JJ Winkel • Senior Member • Posts: 1,387
Re: Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
For what it's worth, I am using since 3 years now a CIS from InkRepublic (IR) with my R1800 without problems with the CIS itself, not same story recently with the R1800 though
Advantage is that the supplied chips are self-resetting automatically, you just get a msg from the Epson utility that a non OEM cart is mounted which you disregard and choose to continue, that's all.
But being pigments, remember to shake (swirl) the reservoir bottles from time to time.
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JJ.
tomwin • New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Best continuous ink system for the Epson R1900
I've been using a Niagra IV system with Ink2Image's Mediastreet inks on my Epson R1800 for a few years now. No problems with the unit. I did have to reset the printer a couple times (needed to hook it up to a pc to do that).
My only gripe is I cannot get a good black and white print. Color is fine. but all the b&w's I try come out a nice rich sepia.
Which would be wonderful if I wanted sepia!
oh- one problem I do have is that when I stop printing for a few days it can be a real bother to get the printer nozzles unclogged again. - but that's Epson, that's not the Niagra system nor the inks.
janfi67 • Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: how much do you charge your client?
Zone8 wrote:
I have not used originals for many years - apart from those that came with the printer. Have been using the inkjetfly.com CIS and Refillable Cartridges with their excellent pigment inks. I also understand that Jon Cone's products are highly regarded by users. That gives at least two alternative quality sources at great savings.
Those who try to claim the OEM inks are the only ones worth using are like the Ostrich which buries its head in the sand.
Ostrich? Really?
I cannot say inkjetfly inks (for R800/1800 at least) are excellent.
Black level of IJF V3 ink is far from the OEM one. On Epson PGPP, OEM black is L=3.8.
One hour after printing on the same paper, IJF black is 5.8. Not bad at all. But once the ink has dried (24 hours) the black level is only L=11.5. Far from the OEM one.
And the worst is the metamerism. Under sunlight, results are acceptable :
But under artificial (CFC) light, the color shift is unacceptable :
OP jtoolman • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,815
Re: how much do you charge your client?
Inkjetfly claims better blacks on their newer inkset for the R1900
We shall see.
I now have their CIS but have not even set up the printer yet. Still in the box.
Any oppinions on just who makes the best ink for the R1900?
Thanks
Joe
LeoChang • New Member • Posts: 20
Re: how much do you charge your client?
janfi67,
Thank you for your sharing.
I have asked few of ours customers. They have yet found any PK degrade issue. I will contact you to see what is the root cause.
Leo
Zone8 • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276
I think it is very important to repeat ....
... because so many fail to understand that the paper can not only adversely affect the way the ink appears but also how the ink behaves over a period of time - both short and long.
The paper (especially acidic content!!!) is a major factor, especially for dye based inksets. Far more important that many realise, despite repeating this many times in this (and other) printing related forums..
Many photo type plastic papers are probably best described as being unsuitable for inkjet printing -= rather than being advertised and praised as superb.
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3 Quotes by Ansel Adams:
"A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into." "A good photograph is knowing where to stand." "Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click the shutter."
LINK: For B+W with Epson 1400 (and other models) using black ink only PLUS other useful tips:
http://www.photosnowdonia.co.uk/ZPS/epson1400-B&W.htm
janfi67 • Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: I think it is very important to repeat ....
Zone8 wrote:
The paper (especially acidic content!!!) is a major factor, especially for dye based inksets. Far more important that many realise, despite repeating this many times in this (and other) printing related forums..
Many photo type plastic papers are probably best described as being unsuitable for inkjet printing -= rather than being advertised and praised as superb.
You seem to forget that IJF inks for R800/R1800 are pigmented inks, not dye inks.
And more important to my eyes, after several months, OEM black level on the same paper is still L=3.8 and metamerism is low. You may not like this paper, but if it were unsuitable for printing, or incompatible with IJF inks, why does inkjetfly provide a profile for this paper?
LeoChang • New Member • Posts: 20
My follow up
janfi67,
You probably want to shake ink bottle well before refilling to prevent pigment ink settle. I can guarantee the Black level degrade issue does NOT exist based on our own test and feedback from Adam and Roger (Thank you!).
A few of Inkjetfly's customers had submitted our ink print samples for longevity lab test to AsI&A ( http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com ). I strongly recommend people who are serious about longevity of ink and paper to subscribe their service.
Also based on Adam's lab test, metamerism on Inkjetfly ink isn't that much worse than OEM. Here is the link for the test result ( http://inkquisitor.wordpress.com/reviews/epson-r1800-ink-jet-fly-inks ).
Thank you,
Leo
janfi67 • Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: My follow up
LeoChang wrote:
janfi67,
You probably want to shake ink bottle well before refilling to prevent pigment ink settle.
Hi Leo.
Thats what I did from the first day, like I shook the OEM cartridges before using them. I may have forgotten one time, but not all. And since the beginning, I've the same kind of black level on all my color targets.
I've sent you the black level with 3 other papers.
By the way, what about metamerism, which is my main concern? Did you see how gray with a light shade of green turn to gray under CFL light?
Taurus43 • Regular Member • Posts: 447
Re: how much do you charge your client?
janfi67 wrote:
Black level of IJF V3 ink is far from the OEM one. On Epson PGPP, OEM black is L=3.8.
One hour after printing on the same paper, IJF black is 5.8. Not bad at all. But once the ink has dried (24 hours) the black level is only L=11.5. Far from the OEM one.
I'm not sure what version of the PK you are using, but I am using the V3 in my 3800. I just measured a full black area on a print that I did two days ago (using ABW) and I found Lab values of 4.1 -0.1 -0.4 This was measured with my i1Pro.
As far as metamerism goes I can't comment on the R1800 inks. However, I do know that for the 3800 using the IMA24/36 ink set the metamerism is similar to that of the OEM inks - i.e. negligible.
janfi67 • Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: how much do you charge your client?
I'm using PK V3 IMA24/36. This is at least what is printed on the bottle.
Measures are performed with a spyder3print spectro. I suppose it is reasonably accurate, because the black level of OEM ink I measure is 3.8.
Which paper are you using? I got little bit better results on semiglossy paper than on glossy.
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